LDS

[Oren]

Yes, Warren got what I was trying to say pretty exactly.

Supporting your LDS is a blanket statement. I think that an LDS has to earn our trust and support.
It's good that you've had good experience with your LDS but not everyone has.
That's why I will only agree with your statements that you should support your LDS if the LDS has earned it.

[serge]

In an ideal world yes *BUT* the reality is if nobody supports the LDS how do you get air?

As well I don't really want to turn this into a flame war. Your comment

"It's good that you've had good experience with your LDS but not everyone has."

is a bit inflametory and seems to specifically target a perticular store for some reason (Maybe I read that wrong). Care to speak of the bad experiance you had specifically? I don't feel that unfounded general comments help anybody myself, so I typically like to see backup.

On that same note I hear there was a customer that had a bad experiance with your LDS to; Oh ya and I read on Deco Stop that some guy named Mark in Texas has a bad experiance with his LDS to. I have no idea how that helps anybody buying a Halcyon SMB but I felt the need to type it anyways...

I just don't understand what value those comments are adding to this thread about preparing for DIRf .

Serge.

Originally Posted by Oren

Yes, Warren got what I was trying to say pretty exactly.

Supporting your LDS is a blanket statement. I think that an LDS has to earn our trust and support.
It's good that you've had good experience with your LDS but not everyone has.
That's why I will only agree with your statements that you should support your LDS if the LDS has earned it.

[Oren]

Originally Posted by serge

In an ideal world yes *BUT* the reality is if nobody supports the LDS how do you get air?

I don't dive air...
But to answer your question:
If I would not be happy with my LDS, I'd go to a different one to get my fills...
If I would not be happy with the second one, I'd go to the next...
And so on until I had enough and would buy me a device that you must heard of too....A compressor...

Originally Posted by serge

As well I don't really want to turn this into a flame war. Your comment is a bit inflametory and seems to specifically target a perticular store for some reason (Maybe I read that wrong). Care to speak of the bad experiance you had specifically? I don't feel that unfounded general comments help anybody myself, so I typically like to see backup.

Well, if you didn't want to turn it into a flame war, why did you ask.
It's obvious that an answer to your question will inevitably lead to some flames, no?
My comment was rather meant in general about any XYZ LDS and not as you thought, as an attempt to target or comment about your LDS. Why so sensitive?
If you care to know, I did have an experience with you LDS that wasn't an experience to write home about. Do you really want me to dish it here?

Originally Posted by serge

I just don't understand what value those comments are adding to this thread about preparing for DIRf .

Serge.

Honestly? Neither do I.

[Chantelle]

These pretzels are making me thirsty...

[serge]

I think you need water

Originally Posted by Chantelle

These pretzels are making me thirsty...

[Chantelle]

Originally Posted by serge

I think you need water

Yessssss please!

[Rob Smith]

I live in Scarborough, my LDS is in Oshawa. I make the drive out there and have purchased pretty much everything from that shop. They have treated me with great respect as I them. I have gone to others shops From Dan's across to NTD and have purchased items from diferent shops just like I do with anything else outside of scuba, food, beer, clothes etc. I do it to support the dive industry and any LDS shop owner I have met respects and expects this. My lds will order things for me they don't normally stock, but sometimes I don't want to wait so I go where I know it is on the shelf. The same goes for courses. If my shop is not offering a course I want and another is I will go there. We are all in this together so we all help out when we can. I believe in loyalty, and I believe in sharing the wealth. We need to keep the mom and pop shops going, local or not. Everyone deserves to make money and everyone has a right to choose where they shop. I believe in helping all the shops out, local or not becaue at the end of the day when your tanks are empty, you can't get air fills over the net.

The above relates to GUE training and equipment not offered by my lds...
I've Rambled enough!...lol...

[Matthew Mandziuk]

Well Oren, Not to "rock to boat" but just because a shop is "gue" shop, it doesn't mean they're the "real deal".

If memory serves correct, I was diving DIR before NTD existed.

It doesn't matter the agency, but more so the level of training and even though you've never trained with me, I'm pretty sure we could learn a lot from diving with each other.

As far as "real Deals Go", why would someone buy a DUI drysuit from you if you're not a "real" dive facility. I mean aren't you just a guy picking up the slack for those shops who don't sell DUI? I mean how do you compete with someone who has sold DUI and other brands of drysuits for over 35yrs and never had a complaint when it comes to price or service? Why should someone buy DUI off you if you're praising NTD? In reality I don't see either of you getting a DUI sales award for the 9th year in a row now. I respect you doing drysuit repairs, but leave the DUI drysuit sales to those who are in the industry full time....NTD and Dan's Dive Shop.

I think that you put too much faith in the name of a training agency, I mean TDI, GUE, PADI, UTD, NAUI, doesn't it all come down to the instructor? Like it or not, there are a lot of people who have come and gone in this diving industry and few who remain the genuine article. I'm pretty sure we'll be here as a main stay in diving and we have lead the trends in diving since our inception in 1974, why stop now?

I respect GUE, but I also see that there is a bigger picture in the diving industry. I teach NAUI, as do many of the people who work for Halcyon ironically enough. Maybe if the rest of the industry spent as much time looking at the big picture instead of what agency teaches what, we'd be a bigger sport.

I am aligning myself with divers from all walks of life and even though rule 1 still applies in my selection, agencies are secondary.

[Oren]

Matt, if I'll find some time today between work, baby, gym workout, baby, a haircut, baby and setting up an education saving plan for the baby to address your questions and concerns, I promise to do it more throughly than you may enjoy.

[PeteSmith]

Originally Posted by oren

............... I promise to do it more throughly than you may enjoy.

rofl!.............................